jexe ([info]jexe) wrote,
@ 2004-11-14 21:25:00
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The Boom
The thing I miss the most about the Clinton administration was that he presided over the absolute greatest era in the short history of techno music. Soon after entry into office, Underworld's dubnobasswithmyheadman was released, doing its part to incite an unprecedented techno gold rush from startups such as the Prodigy, Fluke, Bjork, Orbital, and, eventually even industry outsiders like Madonna and David Bowie became investors.

Something clever about the burst of the bubble and the Bush administration's mismanagement of electronic music goes here. The point that I'm meandering toward (from quite a distance) is that it's easy to forget the reasons that we like certain things. It's presumptuous and pretentious to claim these reasons for anybody else, but for me music and mathematics and programming have always been about the search for cleverness and elegance that comes from working in a limited system. It's not the music, but the representation of a universe behind music, something that transcends any kinds of senses. In that way, it's almost religious, it frames the way you look at things and people around you, the way you walk to work, the reason behind choosing, say, spicy kimchi noodle soup over fishcake in shallow steamy water. Yech.

And so ends my hippie tirade.
Hello, back in real life I've been suckered into writing a livejournal. theoretic.org is down for the moment until the new dopesquad server comes up. Last month, I was burglarized, outbid, and along with tki.net, kicked out of my favorite art ghetto apartment. This month, I think I'm buying a place in a toy factory, woe is my debt. So down, up. Packing and off to the west village with jlx for a couple months.



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[info]_wirehead_
2004-11-15 11:57 am UTC (link)
OMFG! it's you!

*dies*

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[info]_wirehead_
2004-11-15 12:15 pm UTC (link)
and, actually, i've been listening to dubnobass for the past three days. definitely one of the best albums ever made.

agreed about the math/coding religious-type thing. though i've never gotten enough into music; my analog is writing. same reasons.

i like the idea about working in a limited system. & think you may be right. though it begs the question of, are the boundaries imposed on the system inherent, or artificial? & if artificial, what might happen if they were ever removed? we've seen what happens in programming, as boundaries of memory / CPU time / etc change; but they never really seem to go away. like now, you work on cell phones, which is like coming full circle. or it's always a trade-off. will we ever reach the point where the system may as well not be bounded, or will our goals continually expand to fill that space?

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[info]jexe
2004-11-15 02:10 pm UTC (link)
Hi kat! yes, I give in for the time being. I have to adjust to my new lifestyle of not making fun of people with livejournals.

Well, I think that boundaries vary in necessity -- cell phone programming or any particular field of math is a hard limit in capabilities; you can't have 1.3 in an integer set, and you can't store more than 5k of data (believe it or not) on a lot of phones. Beyond that, it's more about dealing with humans and their limits -- having a thousand players in your band playing at no time signature with no tuning would be completely possible, but a huge challenge for accessibility, and likewise you can't put every configuration option of a complex program on the same page. So I'd say that those are self-imposed limits from the interface pov.

Yes, needs and capabilities are both on the rise, which tends to make for (imho) less elegance and more cruft. Do you feel like you're able to do things faster, like say, is your 2.8ghz box really doing things for you 100x faster than a 25mhz 386?

(I know that's simplifying the situation, but still. Vindigo's server-side codebase is ~2million lines. And it wouldn't be, it would be much more manageable if we didn't have effectively unlimited disk space and cpu, but I suspect it could be a quarter the size and would be no less capable)

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[info]ilcylic
2004-11-19 06:17 am UTC (link)
having a thousand players in your band playing at no time signature with no tuning

Oh, you have heard my music...

-Ogre

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[info]killbox
2004-11-15 06:17 pm UTC (link)
hello.. while I keep up an attempt to limit the online connection between my name and my lj space, thought id drop you a line, and friend you.

If you are whom I think you are, I stayed for a few days at your place after 5th HOPE, this summer after Witehead.

Thank you for the time and the space! Sorry to hear about you loosing the place!

anyway must get ready to head out to a jobsite!

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[info]jexe
2004-11-16 05:51 am UTC (link)
Hi there, and yes, of course. Arrr.

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[info]hireath
2004-11-16 01:33 am UTC (link)
Hee! And now I have found you as well. This is Meg of the Long Ago. It'd be nifty to be better able to keep in touch. I hope you don't mind that I friended you.

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[info]jexe
2004-11-16 05:57 am UTC (link)
Ah, bonjour! I was wondering how to find you here, glad you came out of the woodwork. :) And yes, yes, cool.

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[info]hireath
2004-11-16 01:04 pm UTC (link)
Yaye ;) I'm glad to have found you. It'll be nice to be able to more casually keep in touch with each other. Sometimes it's actually a good thing to have friends in common.

You coming down for the holidays this year? If so, some of us could get around and be bratty like old times... Remind me, at some point I have to scan and send you the pics we took of you and Tetsuo and I at The Frontier.

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